Andy and Colin welcome special guests, Matt Forney and Matt Parrott, to discuss the recent allegations of "rapey-ness" directed at manosphere blogger Roosh V. Among the issues discussed are Europe's migrant rape crisis, changes to sexual relations between men and women caused by technology, the attempt by feminists to widen the definition of "rape" in order to pass more power to the state, and tensions within the Alt-Right over the Roosh affair.
Showing posts with label manosphere. Show all posts
Showing posts with label manosphere. Show all posts
MANOSPHERE RISING
by Dota
Roosh was recently pilloried on the feckless Dr Oz’s show. Dr Oz is the sort of hack who practices pop medicine and has been criticized for often endorsing unscientific nonsense to the gullible masses. Nevertheless despite Roosh’s lackluster performance on the show, many regard this as a victory for the manosphere. It indicates that the manosphere is gaining mainstream recognition (or notoriety) and no publicity is bad publicity. I believe there are a couple of reasons why Roosh is despised and I shall briefly discuss each one.
ABOUT THE GRIPING IN THE MANOSPHERE
The manosphere (referring to the loosely-affiliated ecosystem of small web publishers writing for men and running discussion forums) as a market phenomenon exists owing to censorship in the professional press, where anyone who deviates from the leftist party line winds up ostracized and unable to be published steadily, apart from a few exceptions here and there.
Christopher Hitchens, for example, was able to publish articles about why women aren’t funny in magazines like Vanity Fair, but probably only because he had spent decades contributing to magazines like The Nation and acting as the standard-bearer for atheism. The original piece is apparently no longer even hosted on the Vanity Fair website, although there are countless rebuttals to it.
THE UNITED STATES OF FATNESS
Roosh V recently made his appearance on The Dr. Oz Show, a TV doctor who got his big break on the The Oprah Winfrey Show. Oz's whole schtick is to peddle non-scientific or pseudo-scientific feel-good health Pollyannas, aimed at the kind of woman who pays undue attention to her horoscope.
For Roosh appearing on the show was a win-win, even though Oz had invited him on to reveal how "evil" he was and to signal to his audience, disproportionately made up of tubby women, how much he believed in defending their "inner beauty" (presumably kept tucked up tight somewhere between their feminist bile duct and intestinal sac of fart gas).
For Roosh appearing on the show was a win-win, even though Oz had invited him on to reveal how "evil" he was and to signal to his audience, disproportionately made up of tubby women, how much he believed in defending their "inner beauty" (presumably kept tucked up tight somewhere between their feminist bile duct and intestinal sac of fart gas).
FAP, DON'T FORNICATE
by Andy Nowicki
Apparently there’s been a thing much discussed on some manosphere sites lately, known as the “no fap challenge.” The animating conviction behind this campaign appears to be, put succinctly, that wanking is for wankers.
Satisfying oneself by one’s own hand causes one to lose needful ambition, it is asserted; spanking the monkey monkies with one’s manly vigor; jacking off jacks with one’s sense of proper determination and resolve; flogging one’s log saps a man of juice, leaving him a mere sap, devoid of substance. For the chronic masturbator, perpetual satiation leads to inescapable lethargy, which in turn keeps him mired in his loserific habits, stuck in a vicious cycle of interminable solitary self-loathing when he should be out slaying fierce dragons, rescuing foxy princesses, and otherwise getting busy.
WHO CARES WHAT WOMEN THINK?
Originally published at our old site in August 2012, it is high time that Matt Forney's anti-feminist classic was republished here.
by Matt Forney
Last week, I Tweeted a series of comments denigrating “men” in the manosphere who go weak at the knees whenever a woman who agrees with them bursts onto the scene. For all the talk about men being dominant and leading women, an awful lot of guys in this corner of the Internet are eager to prostrate themselves before any girl who talks about how much she hates feminism and thinks being white is just swell.
'THE PATRIARCHY' AND PROPER MANHOOD
by Andy Nowicki
Recently The Patriarchy, a Facebook page geared towards young nationalist men, ran a
series of posts, each of which featured an eye-catching picture of a highly
attractive young woman possessed of an apparently impeccable traditionalist
orientation and mindset. In each case, the text below the comely lass took the
form of a pep talk: “Come on lads, don’t give up! Play your cards right, get
your shit together, and something like this
could be yours!!!”
Responses to these posts, which I am paraphrasing here,
ranged from expressions of sullenly
cynical Return of Kings-esque bon mots
(“No way a girl like that really exists in the West – these days, they’re all a
bunch of fat, skanky liberal feminist sluts!!!”) to effusions of simple mouth-agape
admiration (“Whoa, she’s HOT!!!”) to displays of good-naturedly brazen, jovial
braggadocio (“Get away from her, you bunch of losers… she’s MINE!”), to general
declarations of approval with the overall message of the post (“What an
inspiring speech! I won’t give up!”),
each post more emphatic than the last (as signified here by the copious
exclamation marks).
And I suppose it was
all somewhat touching, in a way. The editor in question (I presume a slightly
older, though still rather young man, perhaps in his early 30s) wished to
instruct his youthful comrades not to despair, because dark as things may seem,
victory is actually within their grasp; “We few, we happy few, we band of brothers,” and all that. But I nevertheless found something about the scene quite unsettling; watching the feeding frenzy of commenters, each desperately tearing away a digestible message from the bewitching images on display, reminded me that even among those pockets of resistance to the cultural miasma that is the rancid mainstream, an air of conspicuously degraded sensualism still
pervades.
PORTRAIT OF THE ALPHA MALE
The word alpha is bandied about on every far flung corner of the manosphere and PUA universe. The alpha is emulated as the paragon of manliness where every ‘beta’ and ‘omega’ strives to be an alpha, but for all the wrong reasons as we shall see. Who is an Alpha male? According to many in the PUA community (whom I do not affiliate with), an alpha is the archetypal masculine man who is cool, confident, and is irresistible to women. Men want to be alphas so that they can have access to an inexhaustible supply of poon. But is this all there is to it? I tend to believe that Alphas have certain character traits that are innate or that one acquires with years of disciplined self improvement. For the purpose of this post, I’m going to rely on cultural references (TV/Books) as it makes the portrait easier to sketch.
THE KEY LOGGER: A FORBIDDEN GLIMPSE INTO THE TRUE NATURE OF WOMEN
The Key Logger:
A Forbidden Glimpse into the True Nature of Women [Kindle Version]
Nicholas Jack, 92 pages (estimated)
Available for purchase from Amazon here
Every so often, you come across a book that completely upends your worldview. After reading it, you might feel angry, sad, happy or whatever, but you won’t see things the same way ever again. Even if the book contains information that you might have already known or suspected to be true, the evidence it lays out can shake you to your very core.
A Forbidden Glimpse into the True Nature of Women [Kindle Version]
Nicholas Jack, 92 pages (estimated)
Available for purchase from Amazon here
Reviewed by Matt Forney
Every so often, you come across a book that completely upends your worldview. After reading it, you might feel angry, sad, happy or whatever, but you won’t see things the same way ever again. Even if the book contains information that you might have already known or suspected to be true, the evidence it lays out can shake you to your very core.
The Key Logger is such a book.
THE MEEK INHERIT JACK SHIT; OR, WHY THE MANOSPHERE IS ANGRY
by Matt Forney
Recently, I was interviewed by someone from a major news outlet, working on a story about the manosphere. It went better than I expected, but midway through, the reporter asked me about the level of “hatred” and “vitriol” in the manosphere and what I think of it. My answer ran along the lines of the Private Man’s recent arguments that masculine anger is a necessary and transitional aspect of the manosphere; men who have been screwed over in more ways than one over the course of their lives have every right to be angry, and that with the exception of the MRA/MGTOW permavirgins, men get over their anger eventually and move on.
But from a more practical standpoint, what do men have to lose from being angry and confrontational?
MANLY FLACCIDITY
by Andy Nowicki
My previous articles at Alternative Right and Counter-Currents, analyzing and and critiquing the manosphere and its attendent pick-up-artist "game" ethos, provoked a wide variety of responses. Commenters chimed in with much to say about what I had to say, and their feedback ranged from the highly complimentary to the lasceratingly scathing and epithet-intensive.
Still, nothing that I've written on this subject has managed to stir the proverbial shit so vigorously as Ava Moretti's recent article "Pick Up Artists" has. Like Jaenelle Antas in a similar piece two years ago, Moretti indicted alt-rightists, white nationalists, and gamers alike for what she claimed was their all-too prevalent misogynistic attitudes. At the same time (also like Antas), Moretti maintained her own traditionalist female bona fides, thus distancing herself from the harridanic ideological misandry which pockmarks the hideously haggish countenance of contemporary feminism. But such insistances on Moretti's part did nothing to dissuade many masculinist commenters from believing her to be little more than a shrill feminist shill in disguise, or even more hilariously, a "beta" male on the down-low (perhaps yours truly, or perhaps C-C editor-in-chief Greg Johnson), who'd pussily assumed a female pseudonym to engage in an undercover rant against those manly-man "alpha" gamers of whom he's clearly so desperately jealous.
EVERYONE A HARLOT
Ego-inflating rhetoric is everywhere. At work, at school, and at the mall, Americans expect everyone to tell 'em how special, talented and important they are. In our inverted world, the weak are somehow strong, everyone who survives a hangnail is "brave," and every bean-counter who works for the Department of Defense is a goddamn hero.
MANNING DOWN
Ferdinand Bardamu, master of ceremonies at the seminal mansophere blog In Mala Fide, has opted to take his website to the cyber-scrapheap while he heads for some ill-defined greener pastures. I don't know Ferd personally, though he has been kind enough to link to many of my articles, and I will always adore the implacably profane honesty of the opening sentence of his review of The Columbine Pilgrim ("Holy fuck, this is one messed-up book."); thus, I wish him well.
Ferd and I recently engaged in a vigorous exchange of ideas on the subject of embracing one's "beta"-hood vs. striving to be "alpha"; though Ferd's side of the debate isn't curently available, you can see my two articles, "In Defense of Squares" and "Reply to Bardamu." Though we differed radically in our perspectives, it was an amicable debate. It has been eye-opening for me to discover and explore the online "manosphere" lately, as its adherents are one segment of the uneasy coalition of malcontents with modernity that make up the alternative right.
As with any social movement, be it mainstream or fringe, large or tiny, the manosphere appears to be riddled with factions, which regard one another with suspicion and sometimes outright antipathy. Indeed, these factions often seem to train their firepower with more gusto upon one another than they do upon the common enemy of radical feminism. The chest-thumping "pick up artist" types promote "game," and appear to take the view that "he who scores the most wins," much like Tom Cruise's character T.J. Mackey in Magnolia. The less hedonistic and more earnest "men's right movement" types, on the other hand, seem fixated on addressing the egregious anti-male bias of the courts, the media, and society at large. The former faction sees the latter as whining, feminized losers, while the latter regards the former as shallow, preening phonies.
Among both factions, the dislike of the misandric abuses of contemporary feminism often shades not so subtly into an anger and contempt for women in general, to the point where they almost read as a strident and one-sided "feminism in reverse," wherein men are always right and women are always wrong, rather than vice-versa. That said, it is certainly true that feminism – like every other left-wing identity movement today – is the ascendant ideology of our age, so a degree of overcorrection on the part of defiant masculinists can be forgiven to some extent; such as these are, after all, the Rebel Alliance, a ragtag bunch of despised misfits attacking the stronghold of the ruthless Galactic Empire-like dominant paradigm, whose agents in turn seeks to wipe out dissent as surely as Grand Moff Tarkin destroyed Princess Leia's home world with the Empire's massive and deadly laser turret on the Death Star.
Now my very use of the "Star Wars" metaphor above would render me a "beta"-like geek among the manosphere's "game" followers, and being a "geek" is greatly to be shunned among "alpha"-chasing pick-up-artist types, since chicks don't dig nerds, and discussing Star Wars arcana is no way to show that you're the dominant kind of he-man who calls the shots and won't get pushed around or manipulated or "friend-zoned" by any potential lay. In my two essays at Counter-Currents, which led to my friendly-fire exchange with Bardamu, I explained why I found such compulsive fastidiousness in playing the "badass" in fact rather un-manly, since a real man is comfortable being true to his native inclinations, even if they are "nerdy."
Now allow me to take this argument a step further. There is, I think, something essentially degraded about a mindset which takes it as self-evident that sex in itself is a thing to be prized and sought after and salivated over, simply because cultural forces scream to us that indulging our appetite is some kind of biological imperative. It is, of course, no revelation to admit that the male libido is a potent, often growlingly insistent force, but this does not mean that it must be placated, or that it defines who we are as men.
In fact, is there not something appalling in the prospect of being led by the nose to do the bidding of our loins? Think of how easy it is for this drive to be harnassed and manipulated by those who, for one reason or another, seek control over us! I am in fact astounded that fewer manosphere-scribes and readers haven't wised up to this stark principle, stated at blogger The Blanque's site:
The Blanque's counsel is perhaps a bit extreme. Not every display of titillation is necessarily an act of female manipulation aiming at emascuation and control. Still, it follows that if more men had the self-control and the discipline to say "no ma'am" to sex more often, some of the more repugnant elements of contemporary misandric feminism would be significantly eroded.
Could this be yet another reason why the principalities and powers of our age are so hell-bent on sexualizing everything and everyone?
Ferd and I recently engaged in a vigorous exchange of ideas on the subject of embracing one's "beta"-hood vs. striving to be "alpha"; though Ferd's side of the debate isn't curently available, you can see my two articles, "In Defense of Squares" and "Reply to Bardamu." Though we differed radically in our perspectives, it was an amicable debate. It has been eye-opening for me to discover and explore the online "manosphere" lately, as its adherents are one segment of the uneasy coalition of malcontents with modernity that make up the alternative right.
As with any social movement, be it mainstream or fringe, large or tiny, the manosphere appears to be riddled with factions, which regard one another with suspicion and sometimes outright antipathy. Indeed, these factions often seem to train their firepower with more gusto upon one another than they do upon the common enemy of radical feminism. The chest-thumping "pick up artist" types promote "game," and appear to take the view that "he who scores the most wins," much like Tom Cruise's character T.J. Mackey in Magnolia. The less hedonistic and more earnest "men's right movement" types, on the other hand, seem fixated on addressing the egregious anti-male bias of the courts, the media, and society at large. The former faction sees the latter as whining, feminized losers, while the latter regards the former as shallow, preening phonies.
Among both factions, the dislike of the misandric abuses of contemporary feminism often shades not so subtly into an anger and contempt for women in general, to the point where they almost read as a strident and one-sided "feminism in reverse," wherein men are always right and women are always wrong, rather than vice-versa. That said, it is certainly true that feminism – like every other left-wing identity movement today – is the ascendant ideology of our age, so a degree of overcorrection on the part of defiant masculinists can be forgiven to some extent; such as these are, after all, the Rebel Alliance, a ragtag bunch of despised misfits attacking the stronghold of the ruthless Galactic Empire-like dominant paradigm, whose agents in turn seeks to wipe out dissent as surely as Grand Moff Tarkin destroyed Princess Leia's home world with the Empire's massive and deadly laser turret on the Death Star.
Now my very use of the "Star Wars" metaphor above would render me a "beta"-like geek among the manosphere's "game" followers, and being a "geek" is greatly to be shunned among "alpha"-chasing pick-up-artist types, since chicks don't dig nerds, and discussing Star Wars arcana is no way to show that you're the dominant kind of he-man who calls the shots and won't get pushed around or manipulated or "friend-zoned" by any potential lay. In my two essays at Counter-Currents, which led to my friendly-fire exchange with Bardamu, I explained why I found such compulsive fastidiousness in playing the "badass" in fact rather un-manly, since a real man is comfortable being true to his native inclinations, even if they are "nerdy."
Now allow me to take this argument a step further. There is, I think, something essentially degraded about a mindset which takes it as self-evident that sex in itself is a thing to be prized and sought after and salivated over, simply because cultural forces scream to us that indulging our appetite is some kind of biological imperative. It is, of course, no revelation to admit that the male libido is a potent, often growlingly insistent force, but this does not mean that it must be placated, or that it defines who we are as men.
In fact, is there not something appalling in the prospect of being led by the nose to do the bidding of our loins? Think of how easy it is for this drive to be harnassed and manipulated by those who, for one reason or another, seek control over us! I am in fact astounded that fewer manosphere-scribes and readers haven't wised up to this stark principle, stated at blogger The Blanque's site:
"Do you want to undermine the matriarchy? Then stop fucking.
Seriously. What is it that drives the matriarchal control of men today? What is it that the matriarchy manipulates to achieve their goals?
The answer is obvious: it's the sex drive of men.
If you want to take power back, stop doing what the enemy wants you to do: Stop hooking up, stop going to bars and clubs, stop behaving like there is nothing more to being a man than dipping your wick. Stop fucking.
Watch how quickly the feminists panic when they have nothing to hold over you anymore: "Do as we say, or you'll never get laid again!"
Answer them: 'Fine-- I'll never get laid again.' Watch what happens."
The Blanque's counsel is perhaps a bit extreme. Not every display of titillation is necessarily an act of female manipulation aiming at emascuation and control. Still, it follows that if more men had the self-control and the discipline to say "no ma'am" to sex more often, some of the more repugnant elements of contemporary misandric feminism would be significantly eroded.
Could this be yet another reason why the principalities and powers of our age are so hell-bent on sexualizing everything and everyone?
PLANET OF THE BITCHES
by Matt Forney
I’m going to tell you ladies something that will upset and anger you and cause you to call me all sorts of names, but you can’t deny the fact that it’s the truth.
If he wanted to, any man could rape and/or kill you and there’s nothing you could do, on your own, to stop him.
I don’t care if you work out every day and have a BMI in the normal range. He can overpower you because nature has endowed him with a bigger frame and superior musculature by the mere virtue of being born a man. Those women's self-defense classes you took at the community center? Completely worthless. I can defeat any "self-defense method" by simply uppercutting you in the jaw.
If he wanted to, any man could rape and/or kill you and there’s nothing you could do, on your own, to stop him.
I don’t care if you work out every day and have a BMI in the normal range. He can overpower you because nature has endowed him with a bigger frame and superior musculature by the mere virtue of being born a man. Those women's self-defense classes you took at the community center? Completely worthless. I can defeat any "self-defense method" by simply uppercutting you in the jaw.
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