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As the Alt Right attempts to find its balance after the election of Donald Trump threw it into “and now what’s next?” mode, it is clear that the most entertaining sites — The Daily Stormer and The Right Stuff — command a huge amount of traffic. This has caused an impulse among many Alt Right sites to imitate this classic formula.
However, this runs into what we may call “the Stormfront Effect,” which is what happens when a relatively small but very active group online seems to represent more of public opinion than it actually does, at least until people realize that this group consists of people who are mostly minor participants in our society. Then, people stop giving it credence.
This sets up a trap for the Alt Right: it either acquires broad relevance or becomes a small but devoted internet audience who will pass around the same ideas until the audience implodes from lack of anything new going on. Organizations can die by either being too chaotic, or too repetitive, and both represent a loss of direction.
In the meantime, the question before us stands as to whether the Daily Stormer/Right Stuff (DSRS) approach leads toward or away from those lurking downfalls. In the meantime, dissent arises regarding participants like Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer:
But Anglin the phenomenon is something else. He divides us not because of who he is, but because of his popularity and what it portends. We may be seeing the same thing that happened with the eponymous forum indicated in the Stormfront Effect, which seemed like 100,000 Nazis ready to take over the world and ended up being far fewer with far lesser ambitions, despite being a good forum for Right-wing discussion.
As written about previously here, the problems with White Nationalism 1.0 were obscured by its popularity with a small but fervent audience who ended up having little influence. White nationalism attracted people who liked Hollywood Nazism, was quite popular, and then faded away because no one stuck around after seeing that nothing of import was actually happening.
The popularity of DSRS makes us feel like the Alt Right is going through the Stormfront Effect and will end up a political irrelevancy, a few hundred thousand people camped out in special “safe spaces” where they can use the naughty words they want without getting kicked out. Humor, while enjoyable, requires simplifying a message to a caricature, and this in turn causes the message to lose meaning.
Instead of blaming Anglin and others, we should look at the actual problem: the audience. This is the same problem that European-descended people have with democracy at large. Whenever what is popular is chosen over what is right, the message gets dumbed down and then the group collapses.
That in turn is rooted in the problem of class revolt, or as we might call it hubris, in which people become individualistic and decide that they are more important than the larger patterns of nature and logic that they do not understand. In other words, they want what they want and they think they deserve it, even if it has consequences they do not understand.
All great civilizations perish from caste warfare because great civilizations make it easier to survive and as a result, become bottom-heavy when the r-strategy lower echelons have more surviving infants. Then, not understanding what is required to make society work, this group seizes power and consequently fails from that lack of understanding, which they then blame upon whatever remnants of order exist. These societies consume themselves from the bottom-up.
This process is similar to consumerism. Instead of looking at what they need, people think about what they want, and so mindlessly buy products to try to fill the void within. In this case, the products they want are excuses for their own failings and lack of power in the ways that matter. They are allied with the merchants who sell them ideas in products like books, plays and movies.
Agitation by these groups creates an inverted society where idiocy rules and no one is important unless they become popular, but they only become popular by telling convenient lies, so soon everything becomes a lie. As we watch our civilization eat itself alive, we cannot blame Andrew Anglin for being popular, but we can blame ourselves for allowing popularity to rule us.
However, this runs into what we may call “the Stormfront Effect,” which is what happens when a relatively small but very active group online seems to represent more of public opinion than it actually does, at least until people realize that this group consists of people who are mostly minor participants in our society. Then, people stop giving it credence.
This sets up a trap for the Alt Right: it either acquires broad relevance or becomes a small but devoted internet audience who will pass around the same ideas until the audience implodes from lack of anything new going on. Organizations can die by either being too chaotic, or too repetitive, and both represent a loss of direction.
In the meantime, the question before us stands as to whether the Daily Stormer/Right Stuff (DSRS) approach leads toward or away from those lurking downfalls. In the meantime, dissent arises regarding participants like Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer:
He is the epitome of a Marxist trained bolshevik pretending to be a cartoon nazi.Whether or not this is true, what is interesting is what motivates it. There is a distrust of the Hollywood Nazis. That in turn is interesting. Anglin himself seems to be a friendly fellow, a funny and competent writer, and works like a fiend on his site. My guess is that the estimate of 70 hours a week may be low.
First of all, I hope everyone understands he’s always been a leftist Marxist bolshevik who despises whites.
They only thing is his fans are hoping he had a complete 180 degree reversal in opinion and decided to go the other way, overnight.
From the days of when his Total Fascism website popped up (with a huge ready-made userbase in the first month), this was only a matter of months after admitting himself he was running around chasing after black chicks and declaring he want’s the entire white race wiped out “because they are responsible for all the bad shit like slavery and everything bad that happened throughout history”.
He reminded me back then of Frank Collins, a jewish interpretation of what a ‘neo-nazi’ would behave like.
Then came the way he was given the position formerly held by Brandon Martinez who was editing ZionCrimeFactory at the time, ZCF and his boss fell out and Anglin was given the gig.
From there DailyStormer started up.
But Anglin the phenomenon is something else. He divides us not because of who he is, but because of his popularity and what it portends. We may be seeing the same thing that happened with the eponymous forum indicated in the Stormfront Effect, which seemed like 100,000 Nazis ready to take over the world and ended up being far fewer with far lesser ambitions, despite being a good forum for Right-wing discussion.
As written about previously here, the problems with White Nationalism 1.0 were obscured by its popularity with a small but fervent audience who ended up having little influence. White nationalism attracted people who liked Hollywood Nazism, was quite popular, and then faded away because no one stuck around after seeing that nothing of import was actually happening.
The popularity of DSRS makes us feel like the Alt Right is going through the Stormfront Effect and will end up a political irrelevancy, a few hundred thousand people camped out in special “safe spaces” where they can use the naughty words they want without getting kicked out. Humor, while enjoyable, requires simplifying a message to a caricature, and this in turn causes the message to lose meaning.
Instead of blaming Anglin and others, we should look at the actual problem: the audience. This is the same problem that European-descended people have with democracy at large. Whenever what is popular is chosen over what is right, the message gets dumbed down and then the group collapses.
That in turn is rooted in the problem of class revolt, or as we might call it hubris, in which people become individualistic and decide that they are more important than the larger patterns of nature and logic that they do not understand. In other words, they want what they want and they think they deserve it, even if it has consequences they do not understand.
All great civilizations perish from caste warfare because great civilizations make it easier to survive and as a result, become bottom-heavy when the r-strategy lower echelons have more surviving infants. Then, not understanding what is required to make society work, this group seizes power and consequently fails from that lack of understanding, which they then blame upon whatever remnants of order exist. These societies consume themselves from the bottom-up.
This process is similar to consumerism. Instead of looking at what they need, people think about what they want, and so mindlessly buy products to try to fill the void within. In this case, the products they want are excuses for their own failings and lack of power in the ways that matter. They are allied with the merchants who sell them ideas in products like books, plays and movies.
Agitation by these groups creates an inverted society where idiocy rules and no one is important unless they become popular, but they only become popular by telling convenient lies, so soon everything becomes a lie. As we watch our civilization eat itself alive, we cannot blame Andrew Anglin for being popular, but we can blame ourselves for allowing popularity to rule us.
Originally published at Amerika.org
"We may be seeing the same thing that happened with the eponymous forum indicated in the Stormfront Effect, which seemed like 100,000 Nazis ready to take over the world and ended up being far fewer with far lesser ambitions, despite being a good forum for Right-wing discussion."
ReplyDeleteIsn't that exactly the way Stormfront was defined by the "good White thinkers" in the MSM? At first, it was Hitler reincarnated to get the money flowing to the SPLC, then became a "joke" because all "right thinkers" know that only idiots can be far-right.
Everything about this article is strange. Are you saying that this obviously growing movement called the Alt-Right is doomed because it is so popular? And you didn't even mention all the reasons why whites are now gathering to eachother like being flooded with browns and blacks.
ReplyDeleteAlso, what was the point of the insulting opening graphic that shows Anglin with hideous mongrel albinos?
"Also, what was the point of the insulting opening graphic that shows Anglin with hideous mongrel albinos?" Good question.
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DeleteCult of personality. Where a group of people may warp their own values to fit in. While what falls into "It's just a joke/meme" becomes actuality for some.
Delete> Are you saying that this obviously growing movement called the Alt-Right is doomed because it is so popular?
ReplyDeleteNo, but that it can become doomed from within by people selecting what is popular instead of what is right. The truth is complex; simplistic slogans, sayings, symbols, etc. win over lots of people, but miss the broader point, and then the symbols invariably take over from the goal.
> And you didn't even mention all the reasons why whites are now gathering to eachother like being flooded with browns and blacks.
It's happening even in places where this is not the case. People like to be with people like them. That is not just racial, but ethnic, caste, class, religious and philosophical.
When the "alternative" becomes the normal standard, then we've won essentially no?
DeleteANglin admits he started out as a leftist but changed to fascism after seeing what a disaster the world was in because of liberal thinking
ReplyDeleteWN 1.0 didn't just fizzle out. GLR was assassinated. Feds locked everyone up. They were straight up beat down by ZOG.
ReplyDeleteShow some respect.
It's simple. AA isn't a bourgeois city dweller.
ReplyDeleteHis/they writing style is hilarious and he's focused on topics that most white males are into.
Pretty simple "math" really.
Brett and Collin are just angry dudes who have been rejected with their methods being repudiated by the Alt Right and that is why they formed their little armchair Coalition of the Butthurt. They spent 20 years failing and flailing at this, Anglin comes along and raises an army almost overnight. Its easy to understand why these guys are upset, but the sad fact is that it shows how screwed up their priorities are. They'll have no influence in this movement until they decide to start being team players - and to be honest, it's already probably too late for that. They have both burned so many bridges and attacked so many baselessly that they are both almost universally despised by the Alt Right. It is only one or two people at the top who maintain relations with Collin and afaik Brett has no relations with the Alt Right whatsoever. The upshot is that these guys have positioned themselves as internal enemies of large swaths of the movement.
ReplyDeleteI used to be critical of DS and TRS but it appears the youth like them. There are things I wish they both wouldn't write or say (like praising Dylan Roof or advocating for White Sharia). But I don't know what it's like to be 15 years old today. I grew up in a Northeast Suburb that was very White. The kids these days have to deal with diversity, forced inclusion and anti-whiteness every day, everywhere, all the time.
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